As a part of my exit from Newsvine I decided to attend the weekly "Bitch" session known as Vinecast, a recorded weekly teleconference to discuss issues on the vine. Having never been invited to this I discovered through a series of emails and comments that last week I was verbally assaulted, along with members of my NV Conservative Groups and called names like A$hole and Retard.
This from people who claim they are doing this to uphold a Code of Honor. This group seems to have a leader by the name of Viki Babbles Gonia. A name fitting of someone who can't seem to stop screeching a shrill, nails-on-a-chaulk-board voice babbling on about making the Vine a better place. After all the Vine isn't a place where they want to foster open dialog between people with differing ideals. Granted my Outraged Americans group pretty much held the political articles page hostage for the last several months posting some pretty popular stories, mine are posted in the archives here. Apparently though real issues are not to be discussed openly on a virtual online political debate page, they should be discussed in a closed forum teleconference call where these people can control the conversation.
Viki in her infinite wisdom decided that what I said was not really important enough to listen to for more than a few minutes at time, breaking in again and again to return to her rants. After all it was her forum not mine, or so she said. I did not join the call for a full 17 minutes, during that time Viki monopolized the call, trying to justify why she, someone who posts minimal stories that return very few comments and votes in her favor, has the obligation to ban several users on the basis that they broke a rule of the site. Although she wasn't going to take the credit.
Being a viner for a while now I have heard the contributors speak of the need to observe and the follow protocol the Code of Honor. I've read the vague Code of Honor. Given that I tend to write some hard questioning political articles, while Viki concenrates on those hard hitting power stories about Vinemeet in Chicago, I have still only been suspended once in nearly 10 months, under extreme circumstances of being baited, verbally assaulted and attacked personally.
Tolerance a term used in social, cultural and religious contexts to describe attitudes which are "tolerant" or moderately respectful of practices or group memberships that may be disapproved of by those in the majority.
Respect is esteem for, or a sense of the worth or excellence of, a person, a personal quality, ability, or a manifestation of a personal quality or ability. In certain ways, respect manifests itself as a kind of ethic or principle, such as in the commonly taught concept of having respect for others or the ethic of reciprocity.
In the interest of those items here is the valuable conversation that ensued as a follow up to the Vinecast.
azsky13
Yeah Perrie, You were awesome! I hadn't planned on calling in, but she kind of pissed me off. I don't get mad easily. She just didn't get it and wouldn't listen.
Perrie
I know! And she constantly contradicted herself and could justify almost anything she did or thought. Her excuse for attacking you last night was a non excuse. You didn't do anything but extend an invite, and she got nasty with you. Meanwhile, her friends keep patting each other on the back every time she smacked someone down. It was just so wrong! I was so happy to hear you there, and you made some excellent points! She says she's gone, but I don't believe it for a moment.
azsky13
It is not about being a liberal or a conservative. I think it comes down to respect. She has no respect for anyone's view but her own. I don't think she even read my comment from the way she responded. You can't complain about being treated badly when you are don't show people respect.
Viki Babbles Gonia
Often when one person wants to do all of the talking, that means they don't want to listen and learn. That is unfortunate. It is unfortunate, and also quite telling of how that person conducted themselves in discussions on Newsvine, despite their claims to the contrary.
Perrie
Tell me about it!
Tim Boothby
I'm down to the last 5 minutes of the podcast...Good god...I've had to edit myself about a half-dozen times because in order to capture the true sense of... bemusement... puzzlement... wonderment... and well hell, the just plain irritation... I'd have had to vote to collapse my own comment, even though it was funny and involved inventive new ways to combine [redacted].
Yes, I can be truly evil when I set my mind to it. So...I'll fall back to one of my personal favorite expressions, she's a few stooges shy of a trio. Kudo's to Viki, Perrie and Mary for not ground launching.
Viki Babbles Gonia
I had to get up and walk away from the computer a couple of times during the recording myself in order to prevent myself from losing it completely.
Perrie
I was shaking all over. I was afraid that spontaneous combustion was not a myth! LOL!
I also had to walk away from the computer just to keep my mind focused (I was on the phone).
Brad Leclerc
I think it was the first time I really had to mute someone temperarely for something other than echo, heh. If that's what it takes to make a conversation happen though, so be it...as long as it's obvious I'm "moderating" to help the conversation, and not to stiffle an opinion, I'm cool with shuting people up here and there when needed. heh.
Tim Boothby
Well done all! When the going gets silly, the wise go grab a beer! That opinion could be biased, I'm a homebrewer after all lol
Viki Babbles Gonia
When the going gets silly, the wise go grab a beer! Pretty much my motto. I really didn't think that would be picked up when I said it, because I was already halfway out of the room. I laughed this morning when I heard it.
Tim Boothby
I am very attuned to beer. A beer a day keeps hear disease away, thanks to our friend the hop.
Viki Babbles Gonia
Beer: The Breakfast of Champions. All the whole-grain goodness anyone really ever needs.
Viki Babbles Gonia
Gack. I just listened to about half of the 'cast and that's about all I could take. I can't believe I stuck with that conversation as long as I did. I'd like to clarify something, however. I did not intend to make it seem as if I have some special powers to get people banned or that I was instrumental in making this happen. I wasn't. I was just aware of the situation and reported it along with numerous other people. I don't want it to appear as if I'm taking credit for this in any way, and I'm sorry some of my statements made it sound as if I were.
azsky13
Viki,
I think you showed great restraint. I personally would have wanted to come at her swinging if she had told me to shut up. The audio problems actually came at a good time as it allowed everyone a chance to step back and breathe. I didn't plan on calling in at all and wasn't sure that I could as my browser crashed at the beginning, but I am glad that I did.
I will probably try to listen to it again later tonight. I need to write something for GNW and if I listen to it now it will just piss me off again. Not the proper mind set for writing articles of a positive nature...Mary
Viki Babbles Gonia
I'm glad that you did, too, Mary.
Everything Partysover said during the recording, including and especially the repeated admonition to "shut up" only served to show what she's really made of.
When I can't get a word in edgewise, then someone is pretty much hogging the floor.
Brad Leclerc
That's the truth. hehe
azsky13
I figured my experience on her thread was a good example of what was wrong. She totally slipped out of it when Perrie questioned her about it. So I wanted to call her on it. I wasn't about to let her weasel out of it again. Her excuse was pretty lame...
Perrie
Everything she said was lame. Playing the victim card, while she was one of the biggest bullies on NV. I loved it when she asked me about didn't I ask friends to vote me up, and I replied no. Who does that? I don't my friends to vote me up, just because I'm their friend. That requires me using my friends and turning them into hypocrites. I want them to vote me up because they like what they read.
lauhal
Keyloggers? FBI? Forensics? Attorneys? WTF???? Did the grocery store have a clearance on tin-foil?
Tim Boothby
Did the grocery store have a clearance on tin-foil?Yup, I'm trying to mass produce tinfoil asshats
magz
My avatar has something to say about paranoia, but those people have giant brains full of bats.
spiffie
Hm, I just listened. I think there's a pretty general misunderstanding by several people on the Vinecast about what constitutes an "attack". Disagreeing with someone, even if the disagreement is sharply worded, is not an "attack". That seems to have informed a lot of PartysOver misunderstanding about what was going on.
Of course, this doesn't apply to name-calling. But I did definitely get the impression that her problem was often more with rhetorical elbowing than any real technical fouls.
Viki Babbles Gonia
She named you, as I'm sure you heard, as being a persistent "attacker" of her. Which I find absolutely hilarious. The whole time we were recording, I kept wishing you were there.
And here is one of the last comments I responded to, to demonstrate a "sharply worded disagreement,"
Jerry Verlinger "What we have here is 4 a$$holes (OOC, Partys Over, Oink, Oink and Oldyadayada) that think they can f*ck with an oldtimer like me and get me p*ssed off. Well, you've pi$$ed me off so much I can't stop laughing."
"You guys need to learn to load them there keyboards of yours, before you go pullin' the trigger."
Now doesn't this just ring of respect and tolerance?
By the way Viki you never did answer my question?
Listen to the PODCast and then decide. I think I tried my best to present a fair response to being called names and have my groups called names.
ReplyDeletePolitical Debate is not easy, there are always to sides to the issue. I did spend a lot of time on the Vinecast listening to all of the people there, however no one answered my primary questions:
Why are Liberal personal attacks ignored, this is well documented?
Why does Newsvine management fail to address the problem that there is only 1 official moderator for 1 million users.
Why are the rules not applied equally to all users?
I have many more questions, but those are the ones ignored by the people on the call, who stated I did not listen to them at all.
I agree completely with PartysOver that people should listen to the call and decide for themselves how "unfair" we were. I'm also still waiting to be sent that proof that PO promised to share about how they know Newsvine got a keylogger on her system (and any other such claims she mentioned having proof of). The address is mailbag@thevinecast.com (if you would like the email to be extra secure, I can send you my public PGP key so you can encrypt the message). Discussion isn't a one-way street, if you want answers to your questions, other people should be able to expect you to answer theirs...or at the very least they should be able to expect you to follow through when you say you will do something.
ReplyDeleteIf you have more questions and would like to come on next week (or simply get them answered on the air), we'll gladly discuss this a bit further will PO, or anyone else wishing to take part either on the show or by sending us email questions.
If anyone does want to come on I highly suggest listening to Episode 22 first so they have some context and hear FOR THEMSELF how it went.
Thanks for your words of advice. I agree people need to listen to how much was said by the folks on the call versus my comments, how many of my points when unaddressed and how much deception there is on Newsvine. I feel I answered everything that was posed to me in the best manner I could in light of the negative, slanderous allegations over a very simple code violation that most users would face a 5 day suspension for.
ReplyDeleteBrad my attorney has asked that I not provide any computer files to anyone other than the law enforcement agencies. So I can't do that. Looks like there may be some litigation in the future. That's really all I can say about that at this time.
Fair Enough, PO. Could you then send me the name (or at least relevant agency contact info) of someone you dealt with so that I can look into it through proper channels?
ReplyDeleteParty do not send this Brad Leclerc anything! Their attorney may request it at a proceeding called, Discovery.
ReplyDeleteAll I have to say is---"TO all the Newsvine Gestapo WANT TO BE'S ---You have NO clue as to WHO you have Slandered"----Fvch OFF
ReplyDeletePartyI agree with Sherry---SEND NOTHING and HOLD all in a seperate file.
ReplyDeleteNot to worry... the authorities will be dealing with whomever it is handling the computer system decisions at Newvine. I'm sure that is not Brad who admitted to having some 4N6 experience, but we'll leave it to the experts.
ReplyDeleteI found this while researching topics on tracking cookies... make you wonder how sophisticated Newsvine has gotten in 3 years with tracking cookies?
ReplyDeleteMark Budos is a co-founder and CTO of Newsvine. He lies awake at night worrying about the stability of your site.
mark
The content you consume on the Internet is directly related to the resources (capital) the sites have available to produce content. There are three common ways that a site can generate revenue:
1) ECommerce (Newsvine doesn't currently sell anything)
2) Subscription content (There are only a handful of successful sites that operate in this manner)
3) Advertising
The value that a site / agency / ad network can provide to the advertiser can be done in a number of ways.
1) CPC ads. This is when the advertiser tells a network that they don't care where their ads run, but they'll only pay for the click. Since advertising is a two fold proposition (branding and action), the publisher gets low effective CPMs by not being compensated for the branding component of this advertising. These can either be text ads or media ads. These ads can perform very effectively on certain topics (e.g. digital cameras, computing), but poorly on general news topics that are most popular on Newsvine (politics, sports, odd news).
2) Invasive advertising. Examples of these are popunders, inline video, forms that steal your cursor. Advertisers generally don't need a significant amount of tracking because the goal is to simply generate as many clicks as possible. CPMs are generally high for these, but Newsvine has shied away from supporting ads that taint the user experience.
3) Lift measuring ads - At the end of the day, an advertiser is attempting to provide lift for their business. Advertisers will pay a premium to measure the effectiveness of a campaign across multiple properties, which requires two very important metrics. "Reach", how many users did I touch, and "frequency", how many times were they exposed to it. The ability to control the delivery of ads as it relates to these two factors is very valuable to advertisers.
The third option provides the most value to both the advertiser and the publisher, while still maintaining a quality user experience.
Unfortunately, these collection techniques requires third party advertising software that drops cookies on your desktops. If an advertiser's ability to set cookies is limited via security settings, they lose valuable information. The result is additional expenses for technology to sidestep the blocking software, or the advertisers simply not willing to pay as much.
The less money advertisers spend, the smaller amount of investment content sites can put into additional features and quality.
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#13 - Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:15 PM EDT
Party I really DON'T think that Calvin and Tyler can tell who DID WHAT----Thats the reason they BLANKET SUSPENDED all group members.
ReplyDeleteAND Brad---The duel standards at NV show and reflect on the people there----YOU and I both know that THERE are OTHER GROUPS WHO are and DO Bloc VOTE,GANG and GAME the different ARTICLES, STALK and collapse THOSE who do not agree with the "PREFERED AGENDAS".
SO Take your,Viki and ALL the rest of the BULL SHITTERS Thoughts,LIES and other Dispickable ACTIONS and shove THEM>where the sun DON'T shine.
BTW I can't wait for CHICAGO---I will be there just to SEE in Person the various NEWSVINE TRASH!
Alright. That's up to you. In the future would probably be better not to say you intend to give someone information you have intention of giving them, but that's certainly up to you. I was simply asking because you asked on the podcast if I wanted to see it.
ReplyDeleteI won't push the issue if you've changed your mind, though I see no reason you couldn't give me the name of the law firm involved, or some other information to let me seek the facts on my own through legal channels...but that's completely up to you. If a case is made (which currently seems doubtful) I'm sure it will come out at some point.
@jscusmc69
ReplyDeleteThey did NOT blanket ban everyone in the group...many of them are still active on NV. If you're gonna complain about something, at least complain about things that actually happened...
Actually Brad maybe you need to listen to the podcast again. Viki was accusing me of being a liar actually but wouldn't give me the names of her 'source' can I explain again that was because there is no source other than tracking cookies following private emails and violating my rights to privacy.
ReplyDeleteSee Brad only the government has that authority today. No one individual, and not Newsvine is allowed to hack into your personal accounts.
@PO
ReplyDeleteTracking cookies can't read your email...and it's been made VERY clear how Tyler got the emails in question. Viki called you a liar because, well, you were lying. Either that or you don't understand the concept of what tracking cookies can do. Since you've changed your mind about giving us any way to confirm what you said, there's not much point in discussing it further...is there?
No there isn't Brad...
ReplyDeleteSo I have one more question... what was Viki saying I was lying about? I admitted I sent the request for friends to collapse a violent, threatening, inflammatory post. So what was it that she said I was lying about. I can't remember if she ever did say?
Ok Brad---Heres my letter to Calvin AFTER he suspended me for a week---AND NEVER LET ME KNOW THE REASON---Good thing I know how to looc at articles AS I SAVE ALL MY POSTS.
ReplyDelete12 May 2009
Mr.Tang
% Newsvine.com
RE: Suspension
Mr.Tang,
When were you going to notify me that YOU suspended me for the CRIME of supposedly violating your "Code of Honor"?
Where-----IS MY suspension notice with a link to what I was suspended for? You have my e-mail BUT here it is again----jscusmc69@----
Not that it matters as it really is not WHAT it is supposed to be--that is APPLIED FAIRLY.
When you and Tyler allow the personal attacks from those WHO'S agenda fit yours against the others on Newsvine who don't you then become just as imaterial as those who would cry fire in a theater.You allow the FAR Left to do anything they want
OR is the reality of a duel set of RULES what you work with in place. BETTER YET join the vinecast tonight.
YOU show me where I supposedly screwed you rule number 1------HERE IS WHAT I SAID---
I responded to Partys Over #21.2 with the folllowing------PO---This dumb broad is WAAAAY out there!!! WHAT an INSULT to the REAL women of Newsvine!!! WONDER where VIKI has gotten her INFO from.
NOW WHAT DUMB BROAD am I talking about as I NEVER MENTIONED ANY NAMES---UN-LIKE others who follow your agenda do.
WONDER where VIKI has gotten her INFO from-----THIS was in responce to the VINECAST in WHICH your other half TYLER was also in----WANT TO LISTEN as I also have a link to it.
SO as I said above---JUST how does this VIOLATE your NUMBER 1?? WHERE HAVE I made a personal attack ON ANYONE!!
WHO was I disrespectful about or to!!!
Jeff Collier
jscusmc69
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Still have NO answer from CALVIN.
NOW heres another one----AS I belonged to BOTH PWFL and OAJ-----
Using Newsvine
From: Newsvine Team (newsvinecontact@msnbc.com)
Sent: Tue 5/12/09 7:29 PM
To: jscusmc69 (jscusmc69@); Newsvine Team (newsvinecontact@msnbc.com)
Hello jscusmc69, Please know that your Newsvine account has been suspended indefinitely due to postings by you which have been determined to be in violation of the Newsvine User Agreement you agreed to abide by upon registration. Regards, - Newsvine Team Newsvine User Agreement: http://www.newsvine.com/_cms/info/useragreement
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AND NO further INFO from NV or the NEWSVINE MILITIA----Witch HUNT all you want---BLOCK/BLANKET BAN because of belonging to A GROUP that DOESN'T fit your AGENDA --HELL YES you do---
DO You think I'm stupid---think again as I have read ALL the posts in the ARTICLE by TYLER and YOU people call yourselvs WHAT?
You People who throw stones WHO live in a glass house are really funny----YOU KNOW as WELL as I that ALL the OBAMA NUTS on NEWSVINE DO Bloc vote and ALSO BLOCK COLLAPSE those who they CAN NOT INTIMIDATE---
I had alot of respect FOR most who have posted their swill and trash in Tylers and another article HAD--AND now have a totally different outlook---Where there was RESPECT there IS NOW NONE. You don't know me as MANY don't---YOU and the rest KEEP saying the EVIDENCE---PUT your money BRAD where your MOUTH is OR SHUT THE FVCK UP as I DO NOT respect YOU anymore AT ALL. NO Creditability is another GOOD description of MANY on NEWSVINE.
SHOW the PROOF that ALL WERE INVOLVED as YOU and ALL MANY of the others have----You accuse me of something --YOU had better have the fvcking PROOF---OOPS thats RIGHT THEY can't show any PROOF as THERE is NONE.
You have a funny way of showing respect and tolerance. You attack a person for inviting them to the Vinecast, and then complain that it was because you were under attack. Really? Azsky13 was polite and invited you and you were just nasty.
ReplyDeleteAs for me, I have fallen victim to group gang voting of each other from your conservative friends, and I'm a moderate independent. I didn't delete a single post, even though some of your friends insulted me. You talk about getting respect, but you give none.
You also said during the Vinecast that you don't have a party affiliation and vote for the person. So tell me one time you have voted for a Democrat? I can tell you that I have voted for Republicans. But if this is any hint of where your party is going, there will be more moderate independents, who will be less inclined to vote Republican and that will be fine with me.
As to why you would include me in the dialog you have posted here, I have not a clue. It is nothing I am ashamed of, or wouldn't have said to your face.
The suspension was for Supposedly Violationg---- CoH #1
ReplyDeleteThe SECOND is FOR belonging to the GROUPS.
Perrie, I purposely let Viki Babbles, babble for 17 minutes before I called in. Sat on hold for another 10 minutes waiting for Brad to unmute me, and all Viki did was interupt me and rant.
ReplyDeleteMary's comment above says, I would not let you get a word in edgewise. That's not what I hear when I play the tape? I let Robert speak and you and I even had dialog that I agreed with. I even apologized to Mary for my response and admitted I was under duress of being called rude names and being attacked personally.
I did check out the posts on your gun control article and managed to find that CCArm supported you. Hum. She and I had a disagreement over her plagiarism of the 912 Project. You could not have been giving a pay back?
Also I took a look at the 3 pages of your friends list and amazingly you have a majority of left, liberal, progressive Democrats with a few splashes of Republicans, Hum.
Everyone on the vine who has success has help from their friendds. You are no different except that you are a hypocrite.
BTW Carlos is one of the most blatantly left progressive posters on the Vine and he is one of your friends. Do you agree with his posts? Because if you do your middle of the road designation is even more ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteAs many viners have called me Republican I do not follow the GOP talking points. The last democrat I voted for was Jimmy Carter, that was the last mistake I made with Democrats. Then I voted and worked for the Ross Perot Campaign. Do you want me to go on? I did not vote for GWBush in either election.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic” Robert F Kennedy
That's the last time a democrat vote voted his conscience not his party was worthy.
I think you need to face some facts. Your friends speak more than your stand. You should be ashamed of taking a personal side to that of the truth with me, Partysover.
Wowsers. Followed us out here too. Well, dude. My account was disabled as well. No explanation...actually none needed, it would only serve to cement my opinion of NV admin. I did do what they asked and sent a request for explanation within the system. I did listen for a few minutes to some of your podcast. Do me a favor and dont give up your day job. I am hoping upon hope that you dont consider these jazz club discussions as prima facie evidence for raw political dialogue. If I wanted to hear somebody bitch about what is and isnt fair I could camp out in the waiting room at the better business bureau and eavesdrop. Besides, your podcast is eating up precious bandwidth that we need for more .vs videos on youtube.
ReplyDeleteParty confine you questions to legal council. The information you desire will be ask and answered at the deposition stage. The evidence will speak for you in court.
ReplyDeletejscusmc69- For the record, I was a victim to ban when Newsvine reacted to the information they illegally obtained. In my humble opinion our group and anyone who has ever logged on at Newsvine was criminally breached with conduct not acceptable by the FCC. We are talking "class action" suit with criminal and civil repercussions.
"I did check out the posts on your gun control article and managed to find that CCArm supported you. Hum. She and I had a disagreement over her plagiarism of the 912 Project. You could not have been giving a pay back?"
ReplyDeleteI don't even know what the 912 Project is or who CCArm is. And as for my friends, you didn't look very hard, or know me at all. My friends are of a varied background, many from the armed forces, and quite conservative and consrvative christians. If anyone is a hypocrite is you for pretending to represent respect and tolerance while you do not. And you didn't answer something you said in the vinecast, that you don't vote party lines. Which democrat did you vote for? I voted republican for mayor Giuliani, and I didn't vote for Obama. You must have missed my article Stuck in the middle with you, which was about equal disgust for both parties. So the I hope I set the record straight as to who is a hypocrite. It would be you. So I ask you again...who was the last Democrat you voted for...or is it you can't answer that here on your conservative blog, or you just never did and you lied? Which one?
Texas Tea here. My account was also disabled. No explanation until I read the article Tyler wrote. I've been on vacation for over a week now and hardly posted much. I have never flagged a user unless their remarks were offensive. I certainly have never even attempted to collapse an article. Just this week, I showed up on one article in which PO was being attacked left and right, by one user in particular. I showed up to support PO and couldn't believe what I was reading from the attackers. I have a serious concern here that the attacker or troll, call it what you want, was not suspended.
ReplyDeleteNow we have all these articles being posted that pertain to the group and members that have created a soap box for the real trolls to dance around the fire and sing about it. Careful now before your little dance around the fire leads to sacrifices. Yes, you will go off the deep end. Truth always has a way of coming out. What goes on the dark is always revealed in the light.
perrie, I answered your question about that here. Read my comments you'll find it.
ReplyDeleteThis is excellent. You >Newsvine Militia" bozos just don't have very much of a clue about the tactics that your heroes employ. Or maybe you do?
ReplyDeletePo doesn't have to prove the keylogger allegation to you. Get that? The proof is in hand and it will surface at the appropriate time.
There are problems with Newsvine linking to Facebook. Those problems are provable too. Tyler claimed, and yes I have that e-mail to a member, that Newsvine didn't have any responsibility to inform its users when right after the link was established by Newsvine to the two forums (which was much trumpeted in an article in NV)the worm hit Facebook. How much do you know about technology and worm migration. Put two and two together boys and girls.
Then he went on further to sat he had just heard about it. That was about a month after it was reported on CNN. I sent Tyler the link the day it was reported on CNN. That was the Monday following the Friday the boy was so proud of what he had done. Maybe that was one of the "numerous complaints" he referred to that he didn't bother to read.
Guess what? There is a hacker phishing scam on Facebook. Is he going to report that to the community as he should. Yes, there are some legal issues that have been solidly identified. You might not like it, they might noit like it but they bring this BS upon themselves.
Here's the link to the story:
http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSTRE54D6BN20090514
Calling the group trolls is humorous. I guess if you mean all we had to do was publish an article the trolls out there were looking for just by content, then we were trolls. All we had to do was publish and here you came. Now, who was trolling? We didn't have to do anything but follow the User Agreement and bingo.
No you didn't. Which Democrat have you voted for. It's a simple question?
ReplyDeleteThe above comment is mine. The site posted it wrong. But the question, still stands.
ReplyDeleteReposted for Perrie to read...
ReplyDeleteBTW Carlos is one of the most blatantly left progressive posters on the Vine and he is one of your friends. Do you agree with his posts? Because if you do your middle of the road designation is even more ridiculous.
As many viners have called me Republican I do not follow the GOP talking points. The last democrat I voted for was Jimmy Carter, that was the last mistake I made with Democrats. Then I voted and worked for the Ross Perot Campaign. Do you want me to go on? I did not vote for GWBush in either election.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic” Robert F Kennedy
That's the last time a democrat vote voted his conscience not his party was worthy.
I think you need to face some facts. Your friends speak more than your stand. You should be ashamed of taking a personal side to that of the truth with me, Partysover.
I just found your comment. As for Carlos, I barely know the guy. He sent the friend invite after my article "To Democrats and Republicanns: Is any body there, Does any body care?" article. I had more friend invites from that article, than any other article I have written. Unlike you, if I don't see something really nasty on their home page, I accept the friend invite. That is why I have friends from all sides, some I know well, others not. Strange that you didn't mention the conservatives on my friend list. As for Carlos being a progressive liberal, well that is his right. I thought this was about tolerance, and not a witch hunt? You can't even admit that I have done nothing to you, nor do I even know you, or have crossed paths with you, to justify putting my name here.
ReplyDeleteI am not ashamed of my self, because you are saying that I am guilty by association. You should be ashamed of yourself, because that is exactly what Mc Carthy did. And this is nothing more than a witch hunt of your own.
ReplyDeletePerrie, you have chastised me for having friends who supported me. You can't admit that I have written some good hard hitting political articles that perhaps is what drew those friends to me, and had me on their watch list. On the vinecast we had a discussion,and could do that without rude insulting comments. Then once again while I could not reply in the Vine post you called me a liar and a hypocrite. You ridiculed me publicly and claimed I would not admit or accept that I did anything wrong, which I admitted to on the recorded Vinecast. I said, I should not have sent that email that asked for the collapse of a hateful, rude and ignorant poster.
ReplyDeleteThat poster Rachel Barajas signed up for newsvine that same day, never went to the green room put up a bio and a picture and vanished immediately after the attack on me. Don't you think that may have been deliberate? You are being used as a pawn, do you even realize that? My time at newsvine has been an awakening of sorts, but I am glad it's over.
Every door I've ever closed being as frustrated as I've been with Newsvine... has always just caused me to open a bigger better door.
People like Viki Babbles will continue on writing piddly little useless community stories with little value, that's good enough for me; I want to make a difference.
It's really too bad that you could not see the forest from the trees.
best,
PO
Nothing either group in question did Perrie was a violation of the CoH or User Agreement. Private e-mails between members aren't a violation. They set their system up to specifically allow that to happen.
ReplyDeleteThe formation of a group(s) is right there for users to read. Go to the Group page and read what it says carefully. It says what it says. If a group wants to publish an article or seed a subject to discuss, that is their pregrogative. It says it right there.
Then things get totally ridiculous and you want to call us trolls. All any of our authors had to do was "POST" an article and within minutes someone would show up to try to disrupt the conversation. That is totally uncalled for Perrie. I watched it happen over and over again and it is right there documented in Newsvine's records. Just go back and look at the posts to confirm what I just pointed out.
A witch hunt is a witch hunt, no matter how you want to try to explain it. I don't like Calvin or Tyler and they don't like me. So what? That has nothing to do with the subject, yet has everything to do with it for them.
The last Democrat I voted for was in November and he is our mayor. I'm like PO. I'm a registered Independent and have been for years. I learned to do my own thinking long ago. I don't need some liberal or conservative garbage or political party to do any of that for me.
I have to add something else about something you said Perrie. Guilt by association. You best point the finger squarely at your buddies Calvin and Tyler in that arena. Members of a group, and their spouses who weren't even members of that group, have had their accounts disabled without explanation. When asked why, they don't answer. Because my wife is married to me Perrie, I can assure you that she is not me and I am not her. Like I said, "A witch hunt is a witch hunt."
ReplyDeleteI suggest you zero in on the real issues with Calvin and Tyler. They are quite adept at tap dancing and very good at not answering the "hard questions."
I say at this time, I will let this whole matter go, if you will. We have never met, and I have no personal gripe with you. I have been a victim of block voting and it is most unpleasant. I never said it was you. I was more upset by just the block voting and what you said to mary. That being said, you did apologize to her, so I think we should call it a day. Just don't say anyting about me in the future, and I will be fine with that.
ReplyDeleteJust caught another one "Perrie." "No he didn't?" Who is "he?" If it was in reference to the Facebook issue I can guarantee you "he" did. I have the exchange of e-mails between Tyler and the member who asked the question. He blew off a very valid inquiry.
ReplyDeleteSo who is "he" who didn't do what?
I just received notification that another member of the group was just disabled. So of course Brad, they aren't mass banning, just like they didn't mass ban with NMA back in 2007. Get your facts straight before engaging pie hole. I have the names of every member they have banned so far. Isn't that special?
ReplyDeleteI will let you in on another secret Brad. Because they arbitrarily disable an account doesn't mean a member of the public is banned. There has to be some form of "constructive notice" given to even attempt that. That has not been done. Why you might ask?
The answer is as obvious as the nose on your face.
"That being said, you did apologize to her, so I think we should call it a day. Just don't say anyting about me in the future, and I will be fine with that."
ReplyDeleteI'll trade you... stop bashing on a forum that I can't defend myself and that's a deal.
Ya'll just troll on over any time you'd like. We like good back and forth.
ReplyDeleteFrog Prince,
ReplyDeleteI don't even know what you mean by I said "No he didn't", and I don't know anyting about a facebook issue. Not everybody on the vine is out to get you. Heck, I don't even know you. We have never crossed paths. So, I don't know what you are trying to prove with me. At this point, there is nothing constructive that can come out of this dialog. You can talk among yourselves about me, and in the end, you will find out that I have done nothing to you or your friends.
See above right after I made the comment about Tyler and Facebook. If you aren't familiar with the Facebook issue then I think you should get up to speed. There's an article up above about a new threat on Facebook which is linked to NV.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Anonymous said...
No you didn't. Which Democrat have you voted for. It's a simple question?
May 15, 2009 7:46 AM
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Anonymous perrie said...
The above comment is mine. The site posted it wrong. But the question, still stands.
You're right, you don't know me. I co-founded both these groups with PO. they banned me first without any explanation other than Tyler's fabrications. I have nothing against you and don't know you. However, you took it upon yourself to enter into the fray as did others. There are two sides to every story and that's the key.
Don't believe everything Tyler and Calvin feed you. When all the dust settles on their actions, you need to observe and take note of the outcome.
The last time I was on NV I was on Tyler's Megasplosion. I asked him two questions and made a couple of observations. Brian Ford and Spiffie jumped in to answer. I asked if they were Tyler's mouthpieces, kind of, and I got jumped on by three people. Brian, Spiffie, and Viki. I brought up the fact that I wanted answers to my questions by someone in charge and got jumped on again. I finally told them their vine was a joke. Don't much care what what they have to say about that.
ReplyDeleteViki said at one point that they were like a bunch of eighth grade girls bickering. She was right about that, only she was as much involved in it as anyone. There was not much substance on the whole vine.
I have to say being that I am watching some the stuff they say it's pretty childish. I have to wonder where is the proof that anyone actually voted because someone told them to. That's pretty much ridiculous. While I sent emails notifying people of new posting, like I'm sure most viners do doesn't mean people will vote for the story unless they agree with it.
ReplyDeleteViki well she is just a piece of work. I have 2 years of Journalism and Investigative reporting. She has 2 masters degrees. I write from the heart straight up about serious issues, she writes a community bullet for her local paper. The stories she posts are little value.
I guess it boils down to the first qualification for writing is actually having some ideas to write about. The local Garage Sale week is really not my idea of writing.
Viki Babbles pretty much sums it up.
OMG Bevos I went to Metasplosion and took a look at those comments. Please be careful on Newsvine the place is crawling with Trolls.
ReplyDeleteI found this lovely comment from the HORSES MOUTH or perhaps other orifice:
Viki Babbles Gonia
I'm not denying that I've petitioned in the past to have him removed. I definitely gave up a long time ago and just put him on ignore.
No, it's not out of loyalty to my friends who are his enemy, though that is likely what led me there. I believe Krishna is incredibly disruptive. I've watched discussions in which he's involved descend into madness. I think he's very good at both subtly and blatantly derailing discussions. His ingratiating comments towards users who are on the fringes of a long thread irritate the hell out of me.
I think he makes it absolutely impossible for many people to remain rational.
I've seen him harass some of our best users to the point of leaving Newsvine. I don't like what he's currently doing and has done in the past to Rainmaker. I don't like the way he goes after Dennis McCann. I've seen solid evidence over the last few years that Krishna and/or a group he's affiliated with has attacked a particular user through various means off-Vine, possibly/probably threatening this user's livelihood.
I think he's very intelligent. But I believe he and his merry band of cheerleaders do more to disrupt rational discourse on Newsvine than any other group.
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#1.62 - Thu May 14, 2009 8:28 AM EDT
So she is a liar, she said she never does anything to help her friends out of loyalty.
I'm sorry to see you guys banned. PO, your characterization of vicki is shared by many. FP, I think the worm was the reason I had to reformat my laptop last week. I'm going to check into it. Good luck folks.
ReplyDeleteHi AWM thanks for expressing your support. You are welcome to post here if you like. Tyler-Free. Calvin-Free. Doesn't get much better than that.
ReplyDeletePO, I read that post too, It pretty much sums up my opinion of "The Princess Viki" and I have never heard of her till your Article about that situation. Was the only reason I ever went to Tylers' Article.
ReplyDeleteThat was probably the most boring vine I have ever been on on Newsvine. That's why I like yours and FP's Articles. They have substance and are interesting discussions. And probably has a lot to do with the attacks from the ------Viki.
VIKI is kinda like Pelosi---ALL MOUTH and NO BRAINS!!
ReplyDeleteBrad. There is a cookie that usually contains the key logger. Having the ability to look inside the contents of a suspect cookie is a bit of a consideration. You THINK you know something about cookies. the word is a general term that fits a number of diverse situations.
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A key logger is a type of the most dangerous cookies that are out there. They are at the very heart of phishing attacks. If you don't know what those are, then do some more research Brad. Key loggers can, and do, intercept e-mails.